Rebecca Sutherns: The Pros and Cons of In-Person, Online and Hybrid Meetings

In-person, online or hybrid? Which type of public meeting is the right fit for your public participation initiative?

Dr. Rebecca Sutherns is an expert facilitator, someone who can bring a group of people together, find their interests, get them thinking creatively, and draw out their views and preferences on issues under consideration. 

And she has thoughts on when to use in-person, online and hybrid meetings and how to plan for and run them effectively.

Join Joseph Thornley, Allison Zupan and Elizabeth Thornley as we go Inside P2 with Rebecca Sutherns.

It’s your turn

Inside P2 is produced by Joseph Thornley, Allison Zupan, and Elizabeth Thornley. We’d love to know what you think about the topics in this podcast, topics you’d like me to cover in future podcasts and people you’d like to hear from.

Subscribe

Subscribe in the podcast app of your choice.

Inside Public Participation by Joseph Thornley is licensed under CC BY-NC-SA 4.0

A New Season of Inside P2

Welcome to the new season of the Inside P2 podcast, the podcast for Public Engagement Professionals.

This season, we’re going to focus on the changes in public engagement since the beginning of the COVID pandemic.

We’ll be asking what has changed in public participation since COVID and before. How have the public’s expectations shifted? How is AI affecting the practice of P2? What about hybrid P2? What other tools, strategies and practices are proving useful?

To get the answers to these and other relevant questions, we’ll be interviewing leading practitioners and thought leaders in public participation for insight into the changes that they see in the world of P2 and how they are adapting. So come along on our journey as we go inside public participation.

There’s no doubt that when people became accustomed to being online, they came to expect that we would offer them the opportunity for participation without showing up at the appointed place at the appointed time. They came to expect that they could participate when they want in the way that they want. They came to expect that they would have contextual content that was relevant and available to them to inform their views.

They also expect that they’ll be able to meet in person, that they’ll be able to return to the way that they used to do things without sacrificing the ability to do it online and remotely.

We’re going to look at the new best practices, what changed, what has stuck and what has faded away. What tools are we using that we didn’t use before? What strategies are we using? And we’ll be staying right up to date with things like artificial intelligence. How is it affecting the practice of P2?

It’s your turn

Inside P2 is produced by Joseph Thornley. I’d love to know what you think about the topics in this podcast, topics you’d like me to cover in future podcasts and people you’d like to hear from.

Subscribe

Reviews help others to find this podcast. If you like this podcast, please review Inside P2 on Apple Podcasts.

Inside Public Participation by Joseph Thornley is licensed under CC BY-NC-SA 4.0

IAP2 Canada President Bruce Gilbert on three years of achievements and what’s next (Inside P2 012)

I recorded this episode the day after returning from the 2018 North American Conference in Victoria British Columbia. This was my fourth IAP2 conference and easily, the best I have yet attended.

The Conference was at capacity, having sold out almost two months in advance. And the sessions were thought provoking and engaging – literally engaging, with several of the sessions taking advantage of professional facilitators as moderators to actively engage the audience as participants to make the session topics more relevant to their everyday experiences.

On the last afternoon of the conference, I sat down for an interview with outgoing IAP2 Canada President Bruce Gilbert. Bruce was first elected President of IAP2 Canada in 2015 and, this year, after leading the organization for three years, he is stepping down. Bruce’s term was marked by some significant advances for IAP2 in Canada – growth in membership, two North American conferences in Montreal and Victoria, the introduction of a new professional certification program, and the first-ever Canadian learning symposium held in February this year in Gatineau Quebec.

During our conversation, we spoke about

  • The growth of IAP2 Canada’s membership at a time that many organizations are seeing declining growth;
  • The reasons that the growth in IAP2 Canada’s membership has been greatest in Western Canada while the east has lagged – and what can be done to promote growth in the east;
  • The first Canadian skill symposium as a harbinger of an increasing emphasis at the region level to skills and expertise transference;
  • The importance of IAP2 Canada providing a training program that is provided in both English and French;
  • The importance of the new certification program and the challenge of promoting it to practitioners and employers;
  • And his next challenge? Bruce is staying active in IAP2 as Canada’s rep on the IAP2 Federation, where he will continue to participate in the change exercise. And beyond that, as a former senior official in the Government of Newfoundland and Labrador, Bruce wants to reach out other senior government officials to prozelityze the merits and benefits of senior participation.

Linkworthy

Check out these sources that provide context for this week’s discussion.

It’s your turn

Inside P2 is produced by Joseph Thornley. I’d love to know what you think about the topics in this podcast, topics you’d like me to cover in future podcasts and people you’d like to hear from.

Subscribe

Reviews help others to find this podcast. If you like this podcast, please review Inside P2 on Apple Podcasts.

Creative Commons Licence
IAP2 Canada President Bruce Gilbert on three years of achievements and what’s next (Inside P2 012) by Joseph Thornley is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 4.0 International License.

EngagePhase Editor Tim Bonnemann on covering the public participation industry (Inside P2 011)


EngagePhase Weekly is the only newsletter that covers the public participation industry in North America and around the world.  And today, EngagePhase Editor-in-Chief Tim Bonneman joins Joseph Thornley to talk about what it took to get EngagePhase going, how he covers the industry and what to expect from EngagePhase in the future.

Linkworthy

Check out these sources that provide context for this week’s discussion.

It’s your turn

Inside P2 is produced by Joseph Thornley. I’d love to know what you think about the topics in this podcast, topics you’d like me to cover in future podcasts and people you’d like to hear from.

Subscribe

Reviews help others to find this podcast. If you like this podcast, please review Inside P2 on Apple Podcasts.

Creative Commons Licence

EngagePhase Editor Tim Bonnemann on covering the public participation industry (Inside P2 011) by Joseph Thornley is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 4.0 International License.

Inside P2 010: A new IAP2 Chapter for Canada’s National Capital Region


Canada’s National Capital Region is getting its own chapter of the International Association for Public Participation. And this week’s Inside P2 guest host, Peter Wilton, is leading the steering committee that is launching it.

We talk about plans for the newly established chapter, which include both events and social media channels. If you are a public participation practitioner or research in the NCR, find more information or sign up to participate in the IAP2 NCR chapter.

Peter is a Senior Consultant at Hill+Knowlton Strategies, based in Ottawa Canada. Prior to joining H+K, Peter was a Public Engagement Advisor at the Nova Scotia Health Authority. Originally he hails from Newfoundland, where he earned a Master of Science (MSc) in Applied Health Services Research.

Linkworthy

Check out these sources that provide context for this week’s discussion.

It’s your turn

Inside P2 is produced by Joseph Thornley. I’d love to know what you think about the topics in this podcast, topics you’d like me to cover in future podcasts and people you’d like to hear from.

Subscribe

Reviews help others to find this podcast. If you like this podcast, please review Inside P2 on Apple Podcasts.

Creative Commons Licence
Inside P2 010: A new IAP2 Chapter for Canada’s National Capital Region by Joseph Thornley is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 4.0 International License.

Inside P2 009: Nothing About Us Without Us is For Us


Integrating real world facilitation with online engagement

Rebecca Sutherns, CEO of Sage Solutions, co-hosts this week’s podcast. 

Rebecca shares her insights into the value of facilitated conversations with stakeholder groups and the challenge of facilitation in an era in which people are more focused on the screens of their mobile devices than to the people who may be sitting only feet away. She talks about integrating the richness and value of in-person experiences with online experiences that will reach larger numbers of people. This presents not only the challenge of asking questions to obtain useful responses across media, but also the challenge of interpreting data sets that will vary in both number and richness of data.

Let’s Talk IAP2

Last September at the IAP2 North American conference in Denver, IAP2 kicked off an examination of its organization and business model. This has been underway at an elite level, driven by a “Change Committee” drawn from North America, Australasia, Indonesia, Southern Africa and Latin America.

This week, IAP2 sent an email to members like us inviting us to provide our input on a set of strategic directions that were established by the Change Committee. The intent is to gather member input via the Let’s Talk IAP2 website for the next few weeks and then for a consensus decision from national and regional affiliate boards at IAP2 in Victoria.

Both Rebecca and I are looking forward to providing our input. However, for me, the fact that IAP2 is consulting members so late in the process, and only consulting members, as opposed to the groups that it is “involving”, such as trainers, or empowering (both of those terms are defined in the IAP2 spectrum) elevates my puzzlement at the top-focused nature of IAP2. It is the only membership-based organization that I have participated in that treats members as peripheral to decision-making. That’s ironic, when you think about the mission and mandate embodied in the organization’s name – the International Association for Public Participation.

IAP2 is important to me — I hope they get it right.

Let’s Talk IAP2 launched August 8 and runs to August 27. Find out more information at Let’s Talk IAP2.

Sidewalk goes off the rails?

Sidewalk Labs is planning to build a model smart community in Toronto. But their approach to community relations and public participation has undermined trust and raised opposition in the community.

Linkworthy

Check out these sources that provide context for this week’s discussion.

It’s your turn

Inside P2 is produced by Joseph Thornley. I’d love to know what you think about the topics in this podcast, topics you’d like me to cover in future podcasts and people you’d like to hear from.

Subscribe

Reviews help others to find this podcast. If you like this podcast, please review Inside P2 on Apple Podcasts.

Creative Commons Licence
Inside P2 009: Nothing About Us Without Us is For Us by Joseph Thornley is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 4.0 International License.

Inside P2: Hillary Hartley, Ontario’s Chief Digital Officer


In 2017, the Province of Ontario appointed its first Chief Digital Officer, Hillary Hartley. Hartley is something of a trailblazer. She came to Ontario from Washington, where she was the Deputy Executive Director and Co-founder of 18F, the US Federal Government’s digital services corps. Prior to founding 18F, Hartley first arrived in Washington in 2013 as a Presidential Innovation Fellow. Before that, she spent several years in integrated marketing and social media management.

Hartley’s arrival in Ontario has coincided with a burst of digital initiatives. The province declared a set of digital service priorities, established a digital lab in Communitech in Waterloo, established a set of digital service strategies and, most recently, published these on github.

Hillary Hartley made some time to talk with me about the position of Chief Digital Officer and the perspective and approach she is bringing to it. We had a wide-ranging conversation, one that made me even more optimistic about the direction Ontario has set in this area.

It’s your turn

Inside P2 is produced by Joseph Thornley. I’d love to know what you think about the topics in this podcast, topics you’d like me to cover in future podcasts and people you’d like to hear from.

You can contact me in several ways

Keep listening. Keep considering what you hear. Keep responding.

Subscribe

Subscribe in Apple Podcasts

Subscribe in Google Play Music

Reviews on iTunes help others to find this podcast. If you like this podcast, please review Inside P2 on Apple Podcasts.

Creative Commons Licence
Inside P2 by Joseph Thornley is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 4.0 International License.

Inside P2 006: Making your online engagement accessible to more people


Do you launch online public engagements to extend the reach of your public consultation beyond those who can attend in-person meetings? If so, I’ sure that you are always looking for ways to make your online engagement accessible to as many people as possible.

This episode of Inside P2 focuses on six steps you can take to make your online public engagement more accessible:

  1. Design for mobile first
  2. Design for the social media generation
  3. Optimize for page speed
  4. Make it accessible
  5. Make it available in different languages
  6. Present information that is relevant to the visitor

You’ll hear about each of these steps in this episode, which includes a recording of a presentation I made on making your engagement more accessible at the 17th Conference of the International Observatory on Participatory Democracy.

 

It’s your turn

Inside P2 is produced by Joseph Thornley. I’d love to know what you think about the topics in this podcast, topics you’d like me to cover in future podcasts and people you’d like to hear from.

You can contact me in several ways

Keep listening. Keep considering what you hear. Keep responding.

Subscribe

Subscribe in Apple Podcasts

Subscribe in Google Play Music

Reviews on iTunes help others to find this podcast. If you like this podcast, please review Inside P2 on Apple Podcasts.

IP2 005 IAP2 launches a National Dialogue on polarization in public discourse


IAP2 USA President Leah Jaramillo talks about the IAP2’s National Dialogue initiative, its focus and objectives, its origins, where it will happen and its culmination at the IAP2 North American Conference in September.

We seem to live in times in which the volume has been turned up and the listening has stopped. In the wake of the US election, opposing camps have built polarized world views based on conflicting arrays of alternative facts.

The members of the US chapter of the International Association for Public Participation (IAP2) experience the disfunction of public discourse on a daily basis in their work promoting and facilitation public engagement with government.

Now, IAP2 USA is organizing a National Dialogue among its members and interested community groups to discuss the current environment for public participation. The dialogue will take the form of meetings across the summer culminating in a discussion at the IAP2’s North American Conference in Denver in September.

In this episode of Inside P2, IAP2 US President Leah Jaramilo talks to Joseph Thornley about this initiative.

One more thing

I neglected to ask Leah in the interview who had contributed to the development of the concept. She send me a note after our interview to let me now that, “The IAP2 USA Board members who were involved in developing this as a program for national distribution are Kit Cole, Cathy Smith and Wendy Green Lowe. Thanks are also due to IAP2 USA Executive Manager, Amelia Shaw & Staff for all their assistance and to Lewis Michaelson who co-facilitated the pilot event in San Diego with Wendy Green Lowe.”

Thanks all round to these folks for making this initiative happen.

Resources

It’s your turn

Inside P2 is produced by Joseph Thornley. I’d love to know what you think about the topics in this podcast, topics you’d like me to cover in future podcasts and people you’d like to hear from.

You can contact me in several ways

Keep listening. Keep considering what you hear. Keep responding.

Subscribe

Subscribe in iTunes

Subscribe in Google Play Music

Reviews on iTunes help others to find this podcast. If you like this podcast, please review Inside P2 on iTunes.